The National Bureau of Statistics urgently regained the authority of local GDP, three teams of investigators, and major revisions of the "Statistics Law." Since the beginning of this year, a series of reforms in the statistical system have continued.
Behind these statistical reform measures is the recurrence of corruption phenomena such as “official figures†and “digital figuresâ€. According to He Wei, former deputy director of the National Bureau of Statistics, statistical falsification has certain universality. This requires perfecting the "Statistics Law" and strengthening "hard constraints."
He Hao is currently a member of the National People's Congress Financial and Economic Committee and vice chairman of the Central Committee of the Jiusan Society. Last Friday, regarding the reform of the statistical system and the revision of the "Statistics Law," the reporter of the "First Financial Daily" held a two-hour dialogue with him.
"First Financial Daily": The National Bureau of Statistics is seeking public opinions on the revision of the "Statistical Law." If you comment, how can you raise it?
He Hao: My opinion is not to amend it, but to reformulate it. The current "Statistics Law" is too principled, and there is no clear definition of the obligations, responsibilities, legal responsibilities, and rights between the subject and object of statistics.
A law should have operability, statistical departments should be according to statistics, to ensure the timeliness and accuracy of statistical data. These years, the Bureau of Statistics, together with some ministries and commissions, engaged in statistical law enforcement inspections and found many problems. Some units did not provide real data or refused to provide real data, but they could not deal with them, especially those with certain administrative powers.
"First Financial Daily": You just mentioned joint law enforcement. Does this mean that we need to use the power of other departments to achieve the purpose of statistical law enforcement?
He Yan: Of course there is this meaning in it. Some officials now use indirect means to interfere with statistical data, and the Bureau of Statistics can neither withdraw his position nor impose disciplinary sanctions. Only the Central Organization Department and the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection will be effective.
I led a team to Sichuan, Chongqing, Guizhou and other places to conduct law enforcement inspections and encountered many similar situations. For example, you are a statistician and I am a local official. I would say that you see that their standard of living is not as good as ours. How are their per capita income higher than ours? Their industry is not as good as ours. How can our total output be lower than theirs? As a statistician, you have to think about it. If you don't understand the meaning of the leader, you will probably lose the Ukrainian hat. Now the statistical work is in such an embarrassing position. This situation is not an isolated phenomenon, and it can even be quite common.
“First Financial Dailyâ€: The three survey team reforms initiated by the National Bureau of Statistics this year are to contain local intervention statistics and enhance the anti-interference of statisticians. Do you think this reform will solve the above problem?
He Hao: This question was studied for many years when I was in office. It can be said that this is a big measure for the new statistical reform of the party group in the past two years.
“First Financial Dailyâ€: In an interview, however, I discovered that after the start of the reform, the statistical cadres in the economically backward regions were very happy because local governments gave them far less funds than the state gave them. They prefer to join the Central Army; but the Developed regions are unwilling to do so. For example, the country's annual headcount is 30,000 yuan. However, local funding is far more than this.
He Hao: This is one of the reasons why the past (reform plan) has not been introduced and has been considered. The funds of the three investigative team personnel are so much money that the Ministry of Finance needs to keep a little above. It will cost 30,000 yuan for the province and 30,000 yuan for the province. In the western part of the country, this salary is more than sufficient, but it is not enough in the east.
Some people think that the total funding is enough. How to allocate is a problem. However, it cannot be said that there are only a few in the west and there are many in the east This problem is more difficult to handle. It is still not clear how the current leadership will solve the problem.
The second problem is business issues. It is impossible for the investigation team to do all the statistical business, and some still rely on the local statistics bureau. Every year, we give business funding to the local statistical office (in the western region, the state gives him business expenses and the head count for him is 1:1). These funds are what we cannot do for the local (statistical bureau) to do. For example, in industrial statistics, a relatively large number of figures, the number of construction industries, social, scientific and technological, and sideline industries are all done locally, and some agricultural and statistical systems are also used by agricultural adjustment systems. "First Financial Daily": That is to say, even if the three investigation teams are vertical, they can't be separated and separated from each other in business.
He Yun: This is a problem. If the division between the country and the localities is very clear, the fundamental contradiction cannot be resolved. The purpose of statistical work is to have a complete and unified statistics, but the team is not yet complete and unified. This is a difficult part. The central purpose of the local investigation team is to reduce local disturbances. If it is still dependent on local business, then this part of the interference can not be reduced.
The current falsifications are mainly "official figures," "digital figures," and pursuing political achievements. Some scholars have always criticized the statistical system. Actually, no one in the statistical system wants to resort to fraud. The main reason is that it comes from administrative interference. Therefore, the "statistics law" also has to solve the above-mentioned problems in the system.
"First Financial Daily": Have you ever considered including local statistical bureaus in the vertical management system?
He Ji: As far as I know, there is no opinion on authority and unity. However, some research opinions have been raised. For example, I have repeatedly suggested that some data needed by the local government can be provided by the local statistics bureaus like the Western countries. However, local statistics agencies may not be required, and the statistics bureau may be assigned by the National Bureau of Statistics to the provincial bureau of statistics. To do this, this kind of behavior can be paid service. If the state finances gives enough money, it can also be a free service. Considering that some provinces want independence, they may also have their own statistical office. However, the statistics from the National Bureau of Statistics shall prevail. In this way, the "digital office" will not come out.
However, if we want to do a good job of statistical work, we must have a separate and unified statistical system. No country's statistical system can be distributed at all levels. Even foreign and even financial and banking leaders in statistical work are sent by the National Bureau of Statistics and are absolutely obedient to the unified leadership of the National Bureau of Statistics. Therefore, a unified statistical work is divided into several aspects. I always think it is not a good idea. China's "Statistics Law" also has to solve (this) problem institutionally.
"First Financial Daily": In your opinion, what are the basic principles of statistics?
He Ji: Independence, accurate data. Among them, the principle of ensuring the independence of statistical services has been written into the statistical laws of many countries.
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The "Statistical Law of the People's Republic of China" promulgated in 1987 and revised in 2000 stipulates that the state establishes a centralized and unified statistical system and implements a statistical management system with unified leadership and hierarchical responsibility. It is because of the "hierarchical responsibility" management system that opened up a hole for local intervention statistics.
Behind these statistical reform measures is the recurrence of corruption phenomena such as “official figures†and “digital figuresâ€. According to He Wei, former deputy director of the National Bureau of Statistics, statistical falsification has certain universality. This requires perfecting the "Statistics Law" and strengthening "hard constraints."
He Hao is currently a member of the National People's Congress Financial and Economic Committee and vice chairman of the Central Committee of the Jiusan Society. Last Friday, regarding the reform of the statistical system and the revision of the "Statistics Law," the reporter of the "First Financial Daily" held a two-hour dialogue with him.
"First Financial Daily": The National Bureau of Statistics is seeking public opinions on the revision of the "Statistical Law." If you comment, how can you raise it?
He Hao: My opinion is not to amend it, but to reformulate it. The current "Statistics Law" is too principled, and there is no clear definition of the obligations, responsibilities, legal responsibilities, and rights between the subject and object of statistics.
A law should have operability, statistical departments should be according to statistics, to ensure the timeliness and accuracy of statistical data. These years, the Bureau of Statistics, together with some ministries and commissions, engaged in statistical law enforcement inspections and found many problems. Some units did not provide real data or refused to provide real data, but they could not deal with them, especially those with certain administrative powers.
"First Financial Daily": You just mentioned joint law enforcement. Does this mean that we need to use the power of other departments to achieve the purpose of statistical law enforcement?
He Yan: Of course there is this meaning in it. Some officials now use indirect means to interfere with statistical data, and the Bureau of Statistics can neither withdraw his position nor impose disciplinary sanctions. Only the Central Organization Department and the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection will be effective.
I led a team to Sichuan, Chongqing, Guizhou and other places to conduct law enforcement inspections and encountered many similar situations. For example, you are a statistician and I am a local official. I would say that you see that their standard of living is not as good as ours. How are their per capita income higher than ours? Their industry is not as good as ours. How can our total output be lower than theirs? As a statistician, you have to think about it. If you don't understand the meaning of the leader, you will probably lose the Ukrainian hat. Now the statistical work is in such an embarrassing position. This situation is not an isolated phenomenon, and it can even be quite common.
“First Financial Dailyâ€: The three survey team reforms initiated by the National Bureau of Statistics this year are to contain local intervention statistics and enhance the anti-interference of statisticians. Do you think this reform will solve the above problem?
He Hao: This question was studied for many years when I was in office. It can be said that this is a big measure for the new statistical reform of the party group in the past two years.
“First Financial Dailyâ€: In an interview, however, I discovered that after the start of the reform, the statistical cadres in the economically backward regions were very happy because local governments gave them far less funds than the state gave them. They prefer to join the Central Army; but the Developed regions are unwilling to do so. For example, the country's annual headcount is 30,000 yuan. However, local funding is far more than this.
He Hao: This is one of the reasons why the past (reform plan) has not been introduced and has been considered. The funds of the three investigative team personnel are so much money that the Ministry of Finance needs to keep a little above. It will cost 30,000 yuan for the province and 30,000 yuan for the province. In the western part of the country, this salary is more than sufficient, but it is not enough in the east.
Some people think that the total funding is enough. How to allocate is a problem. However, it cannot be said that there are only a few in the west and there are many in the east This problem is more difficult to handle. It is still not clear how the current leadership will solve the problem.
The second problem is business issues. It is impossible for the investigation team to do all the statistical business, and some still rely on the local statistics bureau. Every year, we give business funding to the local statistical office (in the western region, the state gives him business expenses and the head count for him is 1:1). These funds are what we cannot do for the local (statistical bureau) to do. For example, in industrial statistics, a relatively large number of figures, the number of construction industries, social, scientific and technological, and sideline industries are all done locally, and some agricultural and statistical systems are also used by agricultural adjustment systems. "First Financial Daily": That is to say, even if the three investigation teams are vertical, they can't be separated and separated from each other in business.
He Yun: This is a problem. If the division between the country and the localities is very clear, the fundamental contradiction cannot be resolved. The purpose of statistical work is to have a complete and unified statistics, but the team is not yet complete and unified. This is a difficult part. The central purpose of the local investigation team is to reduce local disturbances. If it is still dependent on local business, then this part of the interference can not be reduced.
The current falsifications are mainly "official figures," "digital figures," and pursuing political achievements. Some scholars have always criticized the statistical system. Actually, no one in the statistical system wants to resort to fraud. The main reason is that it comes from administrative interference. Therefore, the "statistics law" also has to solve the above-mentioned problems in the system.
"First Financial Daily": Have you ever considered including local statistical bureaus in the vertical management system?
He Ji: As far as I know, there is no opinion on authority and unity. However, some research opinions have been raised. For example, I have repeatedly suggested that some data needed by the local government can be provided by the local statistics bureaus like the Western countries. However, local statistics agencies may not be required, and the statistics bureau may be assigned by the National Bureau of Statistics to the provincial bureau of statistics. To do this, this kind of behavior can be paid service. If the state finances gives enough money, it can also be a free service. Considering that some provinces want independence, they may also have their own statistical office. However, the statistics from the National Bureau of Statistics shall prevail. In this way, the "digital office" will not come out.
However, if we want to do a good job of statistical work, we must have a separate and unified statistical system. No country's statistical system can be distributed at all levels. Even foreign and even financial and banking leaders in statistical work are sent by the National Bureau of Statistics and are absolutely obedient to the unified leadership of the National Bureau of Statistics. Therefore, a unified statistical work is divided into several aspects. I always think it is not a good idea. China's "Statistics Law" also has to solve (this) problem institutionally.
"First Financial Daily": In your opinion, what are the basic principles of statistics?
He Ji: Independence, accurate data. Among them, the principle of ensuring the independence of statistical services has been written into the statistical laws of many countries.
Related Links
The "Statistical Law of the People's Republic of China" promulgated in 1987 and revised in 2000 stipulates that the state establishes a centralized and unified statistical system and implements a statistical management system with unified leadership and hierarchical responsibility. It is because of the "hierarchical responsibility" management system that opened up a hole for local intervention statistics.
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